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Posted - 2008.02.24 14:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Lazuran
Seems to me that BoB is exploiting the practical server limitations ...
Considering that the coalition has been doing that since day 1 if BOB are now doing it you can hardly complain.
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Posted - 2008.02.24 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 24/02/2008 15:19:49
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: HEY LISTEN
Defining winning as taking away ppls space is a little shortsighted considering goons and your own history for that matter.
Admitedly BOB does not have MM space to hide in until the bad men go away but the fact is that unless you scatter the membership of BOB all you are doing is wasting your time by blobbing their space off them.
I would have thought RAZOR out of all the alliances in EVE would understand that taking somebodys space is hardly winning but then i suppose now its you on the offensive you need summat tangible to declare victory about .
Needless to say this is correct. :) I was just becomeing abit long winded already and when I bring those parts it up it ****s up the thread so lets focus on territory first ok?
Your focusing on terratory because its all you think your blob is good for and although thats mostly the truth you should realy use it better.
Your focusing on taking all the space off BOB and that is a mistake imho as leaving them a little bit of space (so you know where they are) and wearing them down so their members leave the alliance is what you should be doing if you realy wanna beat them and destroy the alliance itself.
But considering your attendance issues and other factors i suppose declaring victory after you remove BOB sov from all the systems in eve and ignoring the fact that your members will hardly be willing to chase them all over eve proly seems better in the short term.
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Posted - 2008.02.24 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 24/02/2008 23:14:58
Originally by: Kilostream
So, if you wouldn't focus on the territory, and declare victory when there is no sov left.......when would YOU do it?
I know I'm biased, but I think Fred0's got not only the right focus, but the only focus it's reasonable to have, given the circumstances.
The only time victory can be truly claimed is when BOB disbands and disperses until then you have not destroyed them you have only displaced them.
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Posted - 2008.02.25 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 25/02/2008 01:33:59
Originally by: Kilostream
Originally by: HEY LISTEN
....The only time victory can be truly claimed is when BOB disbands and disperses until then you have not destroyed them you have only displaced them....
I thought about it, but I'm not sure I agree with that - to quote a relevant historical example, when the MC train came around last year and RZR lost Tenal I think it's fair to say they were victorious, because they met their objective and beat us on the battlefield on the day.
Simply because RZR stayed together as a unit and were able to salvage something in the aftermath would seem poor grounds to deny that MC + entourage had achieved a victory.
More recently with FIX too - Querious was the objective, it fell and I don't think it's unfair to pigeonhole that in the "coalition victories" category purely because FIX as an entity is still in existence today.
So you will have been victorious in achieving an objective in the war too destroy BOB, im sure it will make all the ppl who wanna go home (like MM and others already have) very happy and give them summat to cheer about on caod when you do it.
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Posted - 2008.02.25 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 25/02/2008 09:44:18
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: HEY LISTEN
Originally by: Kilostream
So, if you wouldn't focus on the territory, and declare victory when there is no sov left.......when would YOU do it?
I know I'm biased, but I think Fred0's got not only the right focus, but the only focus it's reasonable to have, given the circumstances.
The only time victory can be truly claimed is when BOB disbands and disperses until then you have not destroyed them you have only displaced them.
Destroying and defeating are completely different things. A displaced BoB is a defeated BoB.
And in either case why would anyone in the Coalition even care about a BoB alliance hanging out in empire or in some npc region in 0.0?.
Id say that BOB are hardly the standard wandering pvp corp or alliance as they have a huge capital fleet and several titans.
GOONS and others have been out to kill BOB from the start of the offensive and now your coalition is showing signs of wear you are redefining victory as summat that you think you can actually achieve with your mega nap before more ppl go home.
Let me guess... your using the one last big push speech?.
I suppose BOB did redefine its objectives when it became clear that your blob had no in game skillful solution so i suppose you needed to redefine winning when you realised that all you can do is blob their systems off them.
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Posted - 2008.02.25 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
The only ones here redefining the victory conditions are BoB fan boys like you because BoB losing turns your whole elitist world view upside down or something....
BoB may disband as a result of losing the war and being pushed out of 0.0. Or they may not. But that's a whole different issue.
Im not revising or redefining anything in fact im basing my points on history in fact yours and other alliances history at that ffs.
If you wanna go down the road BOB did when they kicked the crap out of you then go ahead and say "there is no BOB" or other "victory chants" the wording is not important the fact that you have not won until they have disbanded is and you know it.
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Posted - 2008.02.25 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 25/02/2008 17:58:31
Originally by: Hannobaal
If you insist on defining the victory conditions for the war in such a way so that defeating BoB is not possible (unless they do it to themselves), then go right ahead. It's not like it makes any real difference.
I suggest you check goons history before you start making stupid claims as im defining victory conditions exactly how goons defined them when BOB removed all the sov they had.
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Posted - 2008.02.25 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 25/02/2008 18:33:58
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: HEY LISTEN
Originally by: Hannobaal
If you insist on defining the victory conditions for the war in such a way so that defeating BoB is not possible (unless they do it to themselves), then go right ahead. It's not like it makes any real difference.
I suggest you check goons history before you start making stupid claims as im defining victory conditions exactly how goons defined them when BOB removed all the sov they had.
Ummm, the only ones who have sovereignity in Syndicate are... the Syndicate.
And Goons WERE defeated back then. Anyone saying anything else, then or now, is spouting crap. But they were not destroyed. And then they came back.
If you wanna devide up defeats and wins into little packages so you feel like you have defeated BOB go ahead.
GOONS wanna measure victory by terratorial wars so it means you have defeated BOB.
BOB will measure it by K/D or battles won so they can claim to defeat you regularly.
When your naps have taken BOB's space and they are still around kicking your butt in fleet battles......, while your numbers and naps are suddenly made impotent cos they have no space to blob........, i seriously doubt many ppl apart from your propaganda boys will consider BOB defeated.
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Posted - 2008.02.25 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 25/02/2008 18:47:17
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: HEY LISTEN
If you wanna devide up defeats and wins into little packages so you feel like you have defeated BOB go ahead.
You wanna measure victory by terratorial wars so it means you have defeated BOB.
BOB will measure it by K/D or battles won so they can claim to defeat you regularly.
When your naps have taken BOB's space and they are still around kicking your butt in fleet battles, while your numbers and naps are suddenly made impotent cos they have no space to blob, i doubt many apart from your propaganda boys will consider BOB defeated.
You're resting on huge assumptions about what will happen when they lose their space based on your lingering belief in the existence of the emperor's clothes. (Hint: He really *is* naked.)
Maybe i am but your whole victory relies on them falling apart if they do not your whole nap fest is gonna look exactly how it is, impotent at anything apart from blobbing and breaking the game for space.
ps; your metaphor sucks btw as metaphorically naked men cannot kill titans or MS in fact the dude is armoured and armed to the teeth with a huge cap fleet a bottomless wallet and several titans.
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